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- Subject: Re: oilheads-digest V1 #248
- From: "Tom Brown" <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:41:59 -0500
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From: "oilheads-digest" <owner-oilheads-digest@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 3:47 AM
Subject: oilheads-digest V1 #248
>
> oilheads-digest Sunday, July 25 2004 Volume 01 : Number
248
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: '94 R11RSs
> Re: '94 R11RSs
> Oilhead cylinder torque
> Re: Oilhead cylinder torque
> Re: Oilhead cylinder torque
> Re: '94 R11RSs
> Re: Oilhead cylinder torque
> Re: Head shake
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:47:19 -0500
> From: Robert W Munday <rwmunday@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: '94 R11RSs
>
> Gary,
>
>
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:14:17 -0400 "Gary Bechtold"
> <tyrohustler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> <<< I tore it apart first to add the RID (not available from the factory
> then) >>>
>
> I bought a 1995 R1100RSL in late 2000. As I prepared to ride it home
> from the dealership at nightfall, I activated the ignition and discovered
> that there was no RID, a fact I had overlooked before purchase. The next
> week I ordered the RID and fairing panel and installed it myself. The
> RID unit plugged into existing wiring.
>
> If RID was not available from the factory when you acquired your Beta
> bike, was the wiring loom in place from the factory?
>
>
>
> Robert Munday... Montgomery, AL `98 R11CHP `95 R1100RSL
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:49:27 -0400
> From: "John Van Deren" <r11rider@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: '94 R11RSs
>
> Robert and Gary,
>
> I, too, purchased a beta '94 (Mar '93, # 80) RS in turquoise...no RID.
> Evidently the wiring harness was only partly there. The rear section was
> not included, and, I understand, the RID cannot be retrofitted to those
> bikes. Please let me know if I'm wrong.
>
> John Van Deren
> Montpelier, VT
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert W Munday" <rwmunday@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <oilheads@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:47 AM
> Subject: Re: '94 R11RSs
>
>
> > Gary,
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:14:17 -0400 "Gary Bechtold"
> > <tyrohustler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > <<< I tore it apart first to add the RID (not available from the
factory
> > then) >>>
> >
> > I bought a 1995 R1100RSL in late 2000. As I prepared to ride it home
> > from the dealership at nightfall, I activated the ignition and
discovered
> > that there was no RID, a fact I had overlooked before purchase. The
next
> > week I ordered the RID and fairing panel and installed it myself. The
> > RID unit plugged into existing wiring.
> >
> > If RID was not available from the factory when you acquired your Beta
> > bike, was the wiring loom in place from the factory?
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Munday... Montgomery, AL `98 R11CHP `95 R1100RSL
> > ABC #3783 Village Idiot Rolling Broccoli Rider BOOF #131
> > Oilhead #1561 Nebraska Nightrider Big Sioux Rider
> > Trustee, BMWMOA Foundation Keeper Of The List *Iron Bunny*
> >
> > RPG/COBOL Programmer - Will Program For Food
> > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
> > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:20:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Pieter de Koninck <pieter_de_k@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Oilhead cylinder torque
>
> I am sending this to the Tech list as well as the Oilheads list.
>
> I need to retorque one of the cylinder heads on my 99 R1100R. I read
> the procedure in the shop manual, but just to make sure I'll ask you guys.
>
> It looks like you do all of the four-step torquing procedure one bolt
> at a time. That is: loosen, torque, angular torque and re-torque all on a
> single bolt before moving to the next. Correct?
>
> Should I do both cylinders just for good measure (only one was replaced)?
>
> The other question is a source for an angle gauge. Sears? Pep Boys (or
> its ilk)? More specialized--do I need to hunt down the Snap-On truck?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Pieter
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:31:16 -0700
> From: Marco S Hyman <marc@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Oilhead cylinder torque
>
> Pieter de Koninck writes:
> > I am sending this to the Tech list as well as the Oilheads list.
>
> Sending to the oilheads list instead of the oilheads list owner will
> get things posted, faster :-)
>
> > It looks like you do all of the four-step torquing procedure one bolt
> > at a time. That is: loosen, torque, angular torque and re-torque all on
a
> > single bolt before moving to the next. Correct?
>
> Depends. If the head has been removed the repair manual says:
>
> 1. Tighten cylinder head nuts crosswise
> 1.1 Tighten all nuts to 20 Nm
> 1.2 Tighten all nuts to correct angle 90 degress
> 1.3 Tighten all nuts to correct angle 90 degress
> 2. M10 screw 40 Nm
> 3. M6 screw 9 Nm
>
> In otherwords *not* one at a time. The procedure to "take up slack
> after 1000 Km" has you doing one nut at a time in a crosswise pattern
> (20 Nm plus 180 degrees) followed by the M10 screw.
>
> > Should I do both cylinders just for good measure (only one was
replaced)?
>
> I wouldn't bother.
> >
> > The other question is a source for an angle gauge. Sears? Pep Boys (or
> > its ilk)? More specialized--do I need to hunt down the Snap-On truck?
>
> Do you really need an angle gauge for 90 and 180 degrees?
>
> // marc
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:44:34 -0400
> From: Robert Silas <robert.silas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Oilhead cylinder torque
>
> Torque angle gauge is sold in AutoZone stores, there I paid US $10.- for
one. In Canada it is on sale at Princess Auto for Cd. $6.99 (abt. US $ 5.00
no tax if shipped to the US) tel.: 1-800-665-8685. Sale price is between
July 27- Aug. 15, regularly it's $12.99 Cn.
> As far as I knew "R" bikes did not need to be angle torqued but it's
required with "K" bikes.
> The second cylinder??? If it's good don't fix it.
> Bob Silas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pieter de Koninck
> To: BMW-OILHEADS-DIGEST
> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 1:20 PM
> Subject: Oilhead cylinder torque
>
>
> I am sending this to the Tech list as well as the Oilheads list.
>
> I need to retorque one of the cylinder heads on my 99 R1100R. I read
> the procedure in the shop manual, but just to make sure I'll ask you
guys.
>
> It looks like you do all of the four-step torquing procedure one bolt
> at a time. That is: loosen, torque, angular torque and re-torque all on
a
> single bolt before moving to the next. Correct?
>
> Should I do both cylinders just for good measure (only one was
replaced)?
>
> The other question is a source for an angle gauge. Sears? Pep Boys (or
> its ilk)? More specialized--do I need to hunt down the Snap-On truck?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Pieter
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:59:13 -0400
> From: Robert Silas <robert.silas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: '94 R11RSs
>
> Hi John,
>
> > I understand, the RID cannot be retrofitted to those
> >bikes. Please let me know if I'm wrong.
>
> Yes, this is what I was told by the dealer in Montreal, then in Essex
Junction BMW told me that they can do it for US$500.-. I still do not have
it, I found the price too expensive, especially in Ca.$.
>
> BTW this Wednesday I'll be riding North on I-89 from N.H. to Montreal, so
I'll be passing by Montpelier. If you'd like to sit down for a coffee break
in the "Le Brioche" please let me know a convenient time.
> Bob Silas
> '94 R1100RS pearl white.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:05:30 -0400
> From: Robert Silas <robert.silas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Oilhead cylinder torque
>
> Required 90 deg. yes, but you don't need an angle torque gadget for that.
If I remember well with the "K" bikes pre-torque of 37 deg., then final
torque of 67 deg. follows.
> R. Silas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marco S Hyman
> To: oilheads@xxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Pieter de Koninck
> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 6:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Oilhead cylinder torque
>
>
> Pieter de Koninck writes:
> > I am sending this to the Tech list as well as the Oilheads list.
>
> Sending to the oilheads list instead of the oilheads list owner will
> get things posted, faster :-)
>
> > It looks like you do all of the four-step torquing procedure one bolt
> > at a time. That is: loosen, torque, angular torque and re-torque all
on a
> > single bolt before moving to the next. Correct?
>
> Depends. If the head has been removed the repair manual says:
>
> 1. Tighten cylinder head nuts crosswise
> 1.1 Tighten all nuts to 20 Nm
> 1.2 Tighten all nuts to correct angle 90 degress
> 1.3 Tighten all nuts to correct angle 90 degress
> 2. M10 screw 40 Nm
> 3. M6 screw 9 Nm
>
> In otherwords *not* one at a time. The procedure to "take up slack
> after 1000 Km" has you doing one nut at a time in a crosswise pattern
> (20 Nm plus 180 degrees) followed by the M10 screw.
>
> > Should I do both cylinders just for good measure (only one was
replaced)?
>
> I wouldn't bother.
> >
> > The other question is a source for an angle gauge. Sears? Pep Boys
(or
> > its ilk)? More specialized--do I need to hunt down the Snap-On truck?
>
> Do you really need an angle gauge for 90 and 180 degrees?
>
> // marc
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:17:06 -0400
> From: Bruno Valeri <bvaleri@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Head shake
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "customtankbags" <customtankbags@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <oilheads@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:09 PM
> Subject: RE: Head shake
>
>
> > Really? I have 58K on my RT and 70K on my Honda, both
> with original shocks
> > (and clutches).
> >
>
>
> Same with my CBR929. (67K km)
>
> Bruno
> Montreal, Canada
> CBR 929
> http://pages.infinit.net/mcrides
>
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>
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