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Shrieking Starter
- Subject: Shrieking Starter
- From: "Frederick Huganir" <fredh@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:46:15 -0500
After 50,000 miles, my starter sounds the cry of the Banshee (if you've ever
heard a Banshee cry) once the engine starts.
Has anyone disassembled, cleaned and reassembled the planetary gear
mechanism of an oilhead's starter? After twice removing the starter and
cleaning the gear that engages the flywheel, and doing some research, I'm
faced with this task. Apparently I can buy a $20 replacement plastic gear
track from EuroMotoelectrics, but not the gears themselves. I am hoping the
gears are fine and the track is the only problem.
I'd like to hear about anyone's experience. Thanks.
Fred
'02 R1150R
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Subject: oilheads-digest V2 #67
>
> oilheads-digest Sunday, March 20 2005 Volume 02 : Number
067
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
> Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
> Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
> Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
> Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
> Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
> Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:49:32 -0600
> From: "Tom Brown" <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
>
> List:
>
>
> >>re: Q: Do all aftermarket shocks require 12,000 mile rebuilds? A: I
> figure that 25K is about the norm. (Bill)
>
>
> >Gee, the Konis on my '84 RS have been on there since 1985 and certainly
don't
> require rebuilding. It's at 76K miles now.
>
> >My friend has run his R1100RT with OE shock from 10K to 35K miles, most
2-up,
> in the past few years and that shock's not a leaker either.
>
> >While 25K might be a ballpark figure for Chevies, it's certainly not for
the
> likes of BMW and Mercedes in the cage world.
>
> >What gives? One would think the price paid for aftermarket motorcycle
shocks
> would ensure longer life. It certainly isn't the weight of the vehicle,
so
> ... ?
>
> >Kent Christensen
> >Albuquerque
>
>
> I bought a set of Ohlins when my '99RT hit about 25K. The difference was
> staggaring. They were better riding and the behavior on bumpy curves was
> really confidence inspiring.
>
> I had those rebuilt once at around 48K by Petersen in California even
though
> they were working fine. They worked better before the rebuild than
after.
> In addition, Petersen basically lost the shocks. I had to call after 8
weeks
> (they'd promised 10 day turnaround). I used those on the bike until I
traded
> it at 62K. I put a set of newer OEM shocks from another bike on this
bike to
> trade it and kept the Ohlins. Sent them in to an Ohlins dealer in
> Murfreesboro, TN for rebuilding and changing to fit my '04 RT. In the
> process, I got a proper rebuild and the shocks were back to working like
they
> should. They've been on the '04 for most of the 20K I've got on it now.
I
> didn't see a need for rebuilding this year. The bike is very comfortable
and
> handles like it's on rails. I'm planning a Hex-Head purchase this year.
I
> doubt that these shocks will convert yet again, but I'll certainly ask the
> question.
>
> Things that Ohlins has going for it...great damping and brand recognition.
> You can put a used set on the internet and sell them in a week. Everyone
> knows what they are. They are well made. They are not cheap, but you
can
> mitigate that a bit by buying from Wolf BMW in Canada. They get them a
bit
> cheaper up there. NAFTA says no duty on them into the states and Wolf
says
> any order over $500 gets free shipping. No sales tax because they're out
of
> state...obviously. The parts for rebuilding are actually available to the
> dealers, so you can get yours rebuilt when you want.
>
> Adjustability is only rebound damping front and rear, spanner preload
adjust
> in front and remote preload in the rear, like stock shocks, but they
really
> adjust a noticeable and useful amount. Just a click or two of rebound
damping
> makes a difference.
>
> Things Wilburs has going for it. FULL compression and rebound
adjustability
> front and rear. Great workmanship. Dealers, although not many, are
really
> into it. Tom Cutter being a great example. Lower cost. I've heard
great
> reviews from owners around here.
>
> Then there's these Bitubo shocks. I know nothing about them. Except
that
> they're made in Europe and Max Moto seems to be the only dealer.
>
> All that said, the stock shocks on the '04s are awfully good. I really
> didn't feel an immediate need for new shocks. Just had them fitted to
the
> new bike because I had them and because I could. The rear stock shock is
> heavy, but it works well. Not rebuildable, however.
>
> I won't rebuild until I start to feel some decay in performance. One
point
> of getting a good set of shocks is that you CAN rebuild them and you can
feel
> a significant difference. It's possible to run as far on an aftermarket
> shock as a stock one...some people are satisfied going 80K on them, but
you
> defeat the purpose of having great quality damping when you do that.
>
> - -TB
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:53:30 -0500
> From: Robert Silas <robert.silas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
>
> I wonder where do people ride, on what kind of terrain, gravel, or
asphalted roads only??? How a stock shock becomes insufficient after 20 -
25,000 miles???
> What do you do to those shocks??? Can we assume that BMW sells a bike for
$20 -27,000 (Can.) and install such lousy shocks??? They fabricate bikes
which last for 125-150,000 miles easily, but not, they put shocks on, which
are good only for 1/6 -th of the life time of all other parts (or most of
those)???
>
> Guys, you really make me curious. I may just take a deep breath and spend
half as much as I paid for my used '94 RS in '98 at 10,000 miles on it, and
buy a couple of Ohlins. This year I resisted the temptation and bought a
newer lathe for the price of one Ohlins shock.
> Would be nice to have a larger milling machine, but I may just buy a pair
of shocks, I am getting really curious.
> I have 165,000 km., little over 100,000 miles on the '94 RS with the
original OME shocks. I don't want anything which has to be rebuilt. I do
ride 25,000 miles a year but I don't want to take the shocks out and have
them rebuilt every year. And, what will I ride while they are being
rebuilt, or lost???
> Anyway, I am really curious, no joke, frankly, on the level!!!!!!!!!
> Bob Silas
> Montreal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Brown
> To: BMW Oilhead List
> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:49 PM
> Subject: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
>
>
> List:
>
>
> >>re: Q: Do all aftermarket shocks require 12,000 mile rebuilds? A: I
> figure that 25K is about the norm. (Bill)
>
>
> >Gee, the Konis on my '84 RS have been on there since 1985 and certainly
don't
> require rebuilding. It's at 76K miles now.
>
> >My friend has run his R1100RT with OE shock from 10K to 35K miles, most
2-up,
> in the past few years and that shock's not a leaker either.
>
> >While 25K might be a ballpark figure for Chevies, it's certainly not
for the
> likes of BMW and Mercedes in the cage world.
>
> >What gives? One would think the price paid for aftermarket motorcycle
shocks
> would ensure longer life. It certainly isn't the weight of the vehicle,
so
> ... ?
>
> >Kent Christensen
> >Albuquerque
>
>
> I bought a set of Ohlins when my '99RT hit about 25K. The difference
was
> staggaring. They were better riding and the behavior on bumpy curves
was
> really confidence inspiring.
>
> I had those rebuilt once at around 48K by Petersen in California even
though
> they were working fine. They worked better before the rebuild than
after.
> In addition, Petersen basically lost the shocks. I had to call after 8
weeks
> (they'd promised 10 day turnaround). I used those on the bike until I
traded
> it at 62K. I put a set of newer OEM shocks from another bike on this
bike to
> trade it and kept the Ohlins. Sent them in to an Ohlins dealer in
> Murfreesboro, TN for rebuilding and changing to fit my '04 RT. In the
> process, I got a proper rebuild and the shocks were back to working like
they
> should. They've been on the '04 for most of the 20K I've got on it now.
I
> didn't see a need for rebuilding this year. The bike is very
comfortable and
> handles like it's on rails. I'm planning a Hex-Head purchase this
year. I
> doubt that these shocks will convert yet again, but I'll certainly ask
the
> question.
>
> Things that Ohlins has going for it...great damping and brand
recognition.
> You can put a used set on the internet and sell them in a week.
Everyone
> knows what they are. They are well made. They are not cheap, but
you can
> mitigate that a bit by buying from Wolf BMW in Canada. They get them a
bit
> cheaper up there. NAFTA says no duty on them into the states and Wolf
says
> any order over $500 gets free shipping. No sales tax because they're
out of
> state...obviously. The parts for rebuilding are actually available to
the
> dealers, so you can get yours rebuilt when you want.
>
> Adjustability is only rebound damping front and rear, spanner preload
adjust
> in front and remote preload in the rear, like stock shocks, but they
really
> adjust a noticeable and useful amount. Just a click or two of rebound
damping
> makes a difference.
>
> Things Wilburs has going for it. FULL compression and rebound
adjustability
> front and rear. Great workmanship. Dealers, although not many, are
really
> into it. Tom Cutter being a great example. Lower cost. I've heard
great
> reviews from owners around here.
>
> Then there's these Bitubo shocks. I know nothing about them. Except
that
> they're made in Europe and Max Moto seems to be the only dealer.
>
> All that said, the stock shocks on the '04s are awfully good. I really
> didn't feel an immediate need for new shocks. Just had them fitted to
the
> new bike because I had them and because I could. The rear stock shock
is
> heavy, but it works well. Not rebuildable, however.
>
> I won't rebuild until I start to feel some decay in performance. One
point
> of getting a good set of shocks is that you CAN rebuild them and you can
feel
> a significant difference. It's possible to run as far on an
aftermarket
> shock as a stock one...some people are satisfied going 80K on them, but
you
> defeat the purpose of having great quality damping when you do that.
>
> -TB
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:12:15 -0800
> From: Andrew Johnson <sundiaL@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
>
> At 6:53 PM -0500 3/19/05, Robert Silas wrote:
> >I wonder where do people ride, on what kind of terrain, gravel, or
> >asphalted roads only??? How a stock shock becomes insufficient
> >after 20 - 25,000 miles???
> >What do you do to those shocks??? Can we assume that BMW sells a
> >bike for $20 -27,000 (Can.) and install such lousy shocks??? They
> >fabricate bikes which last for 125-150,000 miles easily, but not,
> >they put shocks on, which are good only for 1/6 -th of the life time
> >of all other parts (or most of those)???
>
> My stock shocks on the Y2K GS were fine if I didn't ride more than
> three hours. After that, they had given up much damping and made
> riding on bumpy roads a real chore. The Ohlins hold their damping
> behavior all day long.
>
> - --
> - - andrew, Berkeley, '00 R1150GS
> - - "Moto per Mangiare, Mangiare per Moto"
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:43:02 -0500
> From: Robert Silas <robert.silas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
>
> You may just got tired. I ride 12 hours a day on my trips to Montreal -
Los Angeles (and not more than half on slab) and I am OK.
> Bob Silas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Johnson
> To: oilheads@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
>
>
> At 6:53 PM -0500 3/19/05, Robert Silas wrote:
> >I wonder where do people ride, on what kind of terrain, gravel, or
> >asphalted roads only??? How a stock shock becomes insufficient
> >after 20 - 25,000 miles???
> >What do you do to those shocks??? Can we assume that BMW sells a
> >bike for $20 -27,000 (Can.) and install such lousy shocks??? They
> >fabricate bikes which last for 125-150,000 miles easily, but not,
> >they put shocks on, which are good only for 1/6 -th of the life time
> >of all other parts (or most of those)???
>
> My stock shocks on the Y2K GS were fine if I didn't ride more than
> three hours. After that, they had given up much damping and made
> riding on bumpy roads a real chore. The Ohlins hold their damping
> behavior all day long.
>
> --
> - andrew, Berkeley, '00 R1150GS
> - "Moto per Mangiare, Mangiare per Moto"
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:47:45 -0800
> From: Marco S Hyman <marc@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
>
> Robert Silas writes:
> > I wonder where do people ride, on what kind of terrain, gravel, or
asphalted
> > roads only???
>
> All of the above. Several of my favorite roads are 1st gear roads
> that today are composed of nothing more than a patchwork of pothole
> patches. There's the road to Bodie -- http://www.bodie.net/ -- 10 miles
> of the nicest pavement you can find followed by 3 miles of unpaved
> washboard guaranteed to test all components of your bike's suspension.
> A typical Sunday ride may take me on roads like this (from last Sunday):
> http://www.snafu.org/smbc/riders/2005/p-20050313-101343.jpg
>
> > How a stock shock becomes insufficient after 20 - 25,000 miles?
>
> I replaced mine at something like 12,000 miles. It's not that the old
> shocks became insufficient, they never matched the feel of the replacement
> shocks. The new shocks make the bike much more stable, noticeable at
> such mundane tasks as cruising down the freeway.
>
> Haven't you ever changed tires and thought "wow, what a difference"?
> Well, I found the same thing when changing shocks, only more so. And
> Again, I did not feel that my old shocks were worn... they just weren't
> that good to start.
>
> > What do you do to those shocks???
>
> I kept my old shocks. Should I ever decide to send my replacement shocks
> in for a rebuild I'll put the OEM shocks back on the bike. So far
> (20K miles) I see no need for a rebuild.
>
> > Can we assume that BMW sells a bike for $20 -27,000 (Can.) and install
> > such lousy shocks???
>
> Yep.
>
> > They fabricate bikes which last for 125-150,000 miles easily, but not,
> > they put shocks on, which are good only for 1/6 -th of the life time
> > of all other parts (or most of those)???
>
> Shocks are considered a replacement item, no different than your oil,
> air, and fuel filter. They don't last 125-150,000 miles, either :-)
>
> > Guys, you really make me curious. I may just take a deep breath and
spend
> > half as much as I paid for my used '94 RS in '98 at 10,000 miles on it,
> > and buy a couple of Ohlins.
>
> Ohlins may be over rated. They are good, but as we are hearing there are
> other shocks that are just as good (if not better) and much cheaper.
>
> > I have 165,000 km., little over 100,000 miles on the '94 RS with the
> > original OME shocks. I don't want anything which has to be rebuilt.
>
> There's a difference between "has to be rebuilt" and "can be rebuilt".
> If you're happy with the way your ride used to be you can replace your
> existing shocks with new OEM shocks.
>
> // marc
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:58:34 -0500
> From: Robert Silas <robert.silas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
>
> Marco,
> Thanks. I have to tell you that I don't usually ride roads like the one
on the second link you sent, however, I live in Quebec, the capitol of
potholes, broken up asphalt and generally bad road surfaces. It's known. I
avoid gravel and bad road surfaces when ever I can. If I rode with closed
eyes, I would know when I crossed the border towards Ontario or into the
USA.
> Thanks for your comments.
> Bob Silas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marco S Hyman
> To: oilheads@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
>
>
> Robert Silas writes:
> > I wonder where do people ride, on what kind of terrain, gravel, or
asphalted
> > roads only???
>
> All of the above. Several of my favorite roads are 1st gear roads
> that today are composed of nothing more than a patchwork of pothole
> patches. There's the road to Bodie -- http://www.bodie.net/ -- 10
miles
> of the nicest pavement you can find followed by 3 miles of unpaved
> washboard guaranteed to test all components of your bike's suspension.
> A typical Sunday ride may take me on roads like this (from last Sunday):
> http://www.snafu.org/smbc/riders/2005/p-20050313-101343.jpg
>
> > How a stock shock becomes insufficient after 20 - 25,000 miles?
>
> I replaced mine at something like 12,000 miles. It's not that the old
> shocks became insufficient, they never matched the feel of the
replacement
> shocks. The new shocks make the bike much more stable, noticeable at
> such mundane tasks as cruising down the freeway.
>
> Haven't you ever changed tires and thought "wow, what a difference"?
> Well, I found the same thing when changing shocks, only more so. And
> Again, I did not feel that my old shocks were worn... they just weren't
> that good to start.
>
> > What do you do to those shocks???
>
> I kept my old shocks. Should I ever decide to send my replacement
shocks
> in for a rebuild I'll put the OEM shocks back on the bike. So far
> (20K miles) I see no need for a rebuild.
>
> > Can we assume that BMW sells a bike for $20 -27,000 (Can.) and
install
> > such lousy shocks???
>
> Yep.
>
> > They fabricate bikes which last for 125-150,000 miles easily, but
not,
> > they put shocks on, which are good only for 1/6 -th of the life time
> > of all other parts (or most of those)???
>
> Shocks are considered a replacement item, no different than your oil,
> air, and fuel filter. They don't last 125-150,000 miles, either :-)
>
> > Guys, you really make me curious. I may just take a deep breath and
spend
> > half as much as I paid for my used '94 RS in '98 at 10,000 miles on
it,
> > and buy a couple of Ohlins.
>
> Ohlins may be over rated. They are good, but as we are hearing there
are
> other shocks that are just as good (if not better) and much cheaper.
>
> > I have 165,000 km., little over 100,000 miles on the '94 RS with the
> > original OME shocks. I don't want anything which has to be rebuilt.
>
> There's a difference between "has to be rebuilt" and "can be rebuilt".
> If you're happy with the way your ride used to be you can replace your
> existing shocks with new OEM shocks.
>
> // marc
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:15:29 -0500
> From: Bob Hadden <kbhadden@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Ohlins, Wilbers and Works, Oh my!
>
> Bob, on my 98RS, the front shock was so bad at 8k miles that I was
> banging the cylinder head on the pavement in corners. You can bet I
> replaced it quick. The rear shock had the screw slot for damping
> adjustment. It snapped the first time I tried to adjust it. The
> dealer was interested in selling new shocks, but wouldn't call the BMW
> rep to try to get me warranty at 3k miles on the broken shock.
> Needless to say, I got my Ohlins elsewhere.
>
> You should ride a friends RS with good shocks for a comparison. If the
> difference isn't important to you, then don't buy replacement shocks.
> But don't doubt others opinions regarding improved performance.
>
> Bob Hadden '05R12GS, '62R27
>
> On Mar 19, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Robert Silas wrote:
> > Can we assume that BMW sells a bike for $20 -27,000 (Can.) and
> > install such lousy shocks??? They fabricate bikes which last for
> > 125-150,000 miles easily, but not, they put shocks on, which are good
> > only for 1/6 -th of the life time of all other parts (or most of
> > those)???
> >
> > Bob Silas
>
> ------------------------------
>
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